These are at a good price but they are so soft that I have probably had 5 replaced over a couple of years. The natural ones are better quality as defects can't be covered with paint as the black ones sometime are. To give you an example of how soft and easily damaged they are, I have had several that have one inch indentsations where the packing straps must have been. Still Mighty Ape are very good at dealing with replacing these damaged ones so it's still worth it for me